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Survivor
Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:55:18 PM

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It would seem that this thread has become a forum on whether badges should even exist, or not. It's clear from their profiles that Gav and Nicola were members since July 2010. They originated the site. I see that Maggie joined in October of that year. I would suggest that badges were part of this site from the beginning. Those members could verify that.

Badges were here when I joined in 2012. I never became a member to get badges. That is completely silly to even think so. But they are nice to have. What is the problem with having a little encouragement for the members that join our site? I mean, really, what is a valid argument against having just a little bit of recognition for members who achieve a bit. I'm so discouraged when something like this degenerates into a foolish argument against giving a member or two a few accolades or extra credit for a certain amount of acheivement.

I believe I've said enough about this. I think I will just bypass this thread for now. I'm sorry I ever brought up the subject of updating the badges. It just makes me sad.



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hayley
Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 4:11:31 PM

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Survivor wrote:
It would seem that this thread has become a forum on whether badges should even exist, or not. It's clear from their profiles that Gav and Nicola were members since July 2010. They originated the site. I see that Maggie joined in October of that year. I would suggest that badges were part of this site from the beginning. Those members could verify that.

Badges were here when I joined in 2012. I never became a member to get badges. That is completely silly to even think so. But they are nice to have. What is the problem with having a little encouragement for the members that join our site? I mean, really, what is a valid argument against having just a little bit of recognition for members who achieve a bit. I'm so discouraged when something like this degenerates into a foolish argument against giving a member or two a few accolades or extra credit for a certain amount of acheivement.

I believe I've said enough about this. I think I will just bypass this thread for now. I'm sorry I ever brought up the subject of updating the badges. It just makes me sad.



Please don't be sad. You did ask for opinions and you started quite a passionate discussion which is quite something for this site. So I think you should feel proud rather than sad.

I agree with Al about badges. If you are a writer you should write only for yourself. Whilst everyone wants to be successful we all know that recognition for an author is an elusive thing. So why seek it?. If you are content with what you write then everything else is a bonus. If it's posted here, or anywhere, that's a plus. If someone takes time, their most precious possession, to read it... that's a compliment and a half. If they didn't like it? So what, you wrote it for yourself and you liked it or they would not have had the pleasure or otherwise. So for some of us accolades are great but not fretted over.

However, we are in the minority. The majority here like the badges, as witnessed by the majority of 'for' posts.

If, as argued in posts above, badges attract members and are also an incentive to contribute, then that is a separate matter. We all seek somewhere to display our work and when/where we can we should wholeheartedly help foster that site and support those that support us. If badges are deemed a positive promotional tool then badges there shoud be.

How to determine the worth of a badge?. I have no idea. I write only poetry, across three sites, two of which award badges. (Stories are an art form I have yet to master and I salute/envy those who have that skill). On one site there are 300,000+ members. There, poetry offerings are split into two distinct catergories. Badges for poetry and stories are awarded on the same basis, i.e. equal value, even though the readership for poetry is, as it is everywhere in life, less than that for stories. For a Famous Story Badge (story or poem) you need 30,000 reads. I do not know how many Famous Story Badges have been awarded to stories since that site's inception 12 years ago, but if I am not mistaken, only eight have been awarded for poetry. The poems and stories, however, keep coming despite the same conversation over badges being raised there from time to time and the need for, perhaps, a Famous Poem Badge awarded, given the traffic, for less 'reads' than wins a Famous Story Badge.

As I said, I have no idea how to rate a badge, but I do believe the bar should be set high rather than low. And if poems have to compete driectly against stories for accolades, so be it. From my point of view I am happy to have someone publish mine, anywhere.

As for competitions? If the site has the resources to organise and run a comp then how special is that?! Personally I think a story comp every two months might be a bit much for everyone, maybe three or four a year? Same for poems. I find it interesting in comparing the latest comp on this site with the latest on the 300,000+ site I mentioned above, that both had a similar number of entries. Well done storiesspace!
Ping
Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:38:33 PM

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gypsy wrote:
This site is not at all just about badges, far from it. It always takes me aback when that sort of statement arises.

Badges and the like are, it seems to me, encouraging acknowledgments, should one care to consider them that way.

Should anyone seek to acquire a badge for a certain number of stories posted, or for having a story in each possible category, so what? If those writers are spurred on to create for those reasons, and do so, and post good work, good for them. If it also means that by doing so they have expanded and improved upon their writing styles, capacity, expertise, then well done, so much the better.

SS is about writing. Where is the bragging? I have some badges, as do all of us. If there were none at all, I wouldn't care either. But if people wish to fine tune the criteria for them, and it does not concern you or me, well, what of it?

I am not going to lose sleep over it, nor will it hinder or help me with the stories I am struggling to write.


This site is a community. Like any community, the residents (patrons in this case) have similar and differing opinions. Here, I've found that most of the time we agree on most things. But sometimes, we can only just shake our head at the thoughts and perspectives of the crotchety old fart in the corner. Sometimes those pessimistic 'half-glass-empty' thoughts should be ignored because they offer no constructive value to the dialogue.

Larry is 100% correct. Not about regretting that he brought up the badge issue, but that the badge issue is in need of serious retooling. NO one joined for the badges. We all joined to read and write.

Gypsy is 100% correct as well. We all find inspiration and motivation in different ways. Badges assist many; encouraging acknowledgments, as Gyspy so insightfully stated.


Let's get to work on these badge numbers, so we can get back to reading and writing, and growing our little writing community.
gillianleeza
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:28:53 PM

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I agree with some of the things posted before and some not so much.

I personally like the badges. They make me happy and I am not going to apologize for that. For me, they act as incentives at times. We are all expressing our opinions. I like that we are encouraged to so here.

The suggestions for revising the numbers to attain different badges seems reasonable. Having badges on my page does not make me a better writer. They just look nice on my page and make me smile. That is never a bad thing.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:37:40 PM

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gillianleeza wrote:
I agree with some of the things posted before and some not so much.

I personally like the badges. They make me happy and I am not going to apologize for that. For me, they act as incentives at times. We are all expressing our opinions. I like that we are encouraged to so here.

The suggestions for revising the numbers to attain different badges seems reasonable. Having badges on my page does not make me a better writer. They just look nice on my page and make me smile. That is never a bad thing.


I agree.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:47:23 PM

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Every member, from the crotchety old man in the corner to the dude at the head of the parade with pom-poms, is entitled to an opinion. As I've explained to a couple of members, it isn't the opinion expressed so much as the manner in which it is presented. Be respectful. Be flexible. Be open-minded and consider all sides of an issue.

There are many ways on SS that an author is lauded and/or recognized for achievement. Ratings, views, RR's, EC's, front cover listings and badges. All of which are subjective. At this point, it's the best we got and tweaking of the processes are currently being considered.

Larryf's well-intentioned post was spot on. These things we are currently discussing should be elements of SS that makes being a member more relevant. We should be more supportive and trumpet the victories of each other rather than assuming that just because one author got a piece of pie means there is none left for anybody else.

Gypsy and Ping are right. We are a community, generously supported by Nicola. Let's not waste the opportunity being offered here and encourage new members, mentor those who want help, and celebrate the endeavors of our friends.

ps. and I'll try not being the crotchety old man in the corner.

AnnaMayZing
Posted: Thursday, November 1, 2018 2:34:57 PM

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Dreamcatcher wrote:
Every member, from the crotchety old man in the corner to the dude at the head of the parade with pom-poms, is entitled to an opinion. As I've explained to a couple of members, it isn't the opinion expressed so much as the manner in which it is presented. Be respectful. Be flexible. Be open-minded and consider all sides of an issue.

There are many ways on SS that an author is lauded and/or recognized for achievement. Ratings, views, RR's, EC's, front cover listings and badges. All of which are subjective. At this point, it's the best we got and tweaking of the processes are currently being considered.

Larryf's well-intentioned post was spot on. These things we are currently discussing should be elements of SS that makes being a member more relevant. We should be more supportive and trumpet the victories of each other rather than assuming that just because one author got a piece of pie means there is none left for anybody else.

Gypsy and Ping are right. We are a community, generously supported by Nicola. Let's not waste the opportunity being offered here and encourage new members, mentor those who want help, and celebrate the endeavors of our friends.

ps. and I'll try not being the crotchety old man in the corner.


Hear, Hear, Larry. Well said. icon_smile


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magnificent1rascal
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:40:30 PM

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So, did we ever settle on what to request? I think the consensus is that the numbers need to be a reach (to encourage more participation) yet also be demonstrably achievable so members don't become discouraged and give up because they think there's no hope.

Based on that criteria, this would be my recommendation:

Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views

For those who aren't into badges, we offer the option of hiding badges from your profile page. Go to Settings —> Settings/Privacy and scroll to the Your Profile Page section. About three-quarters of the way down that section, you'll see Hide Badges. Check the box to Hide your badges from your profile page. Be sure to press Update Details at the bottom of the page to save your changes.


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Dreamcatcher
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:35:52 PM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:
So, did we ever settle on what to request? I think the consensus is that the numbers need to be a reach (to encourage more participation) yet also be demonstrably achievable so members don't become discouraged and give up because they think there's no hope.

Based on that criteria, this would be my recommendation:

Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views

For those who aren't into badges, we offer the option of hiding badges from your profile page. Go to Settings —> Settings/Privacy and scroll to the Your Profile Page section. About three-quarters of the way down that section, you'll see Hide Badges. Check the box to Hide your badges from your profile page. Be sure to press Update Details at the bottom of the page to save your changes.


Looks good to me.

Ping
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:56:07 PM

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I think we can live with this icon_smile

It’s still going to be a challenge for many, but reachable and already attainable for some. I’ll still never be famous crybaby evil4

Looks good.

Thanks Maggie!
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Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:49:32 PM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:

Based on that criteria, this would be my recommendation:

Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views



I am good with those.

I like to write something a little eerie or spooky for Hallowe'en every year. "Haunting" is what I went for this year.

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gillianleeza
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That looks good to me.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 6:17:37 PM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:



Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views




It will be interesting to see if any of us are eligible for any badges with these changes. flower



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Ping
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 8:02:19 PM

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Survivor wrote:
magnificent1rascal wrote:



Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views


It will be interesting to see if any of us are eligible for any badges with these changes. flower


The most views I have of anything is 730. It will be a while, if any of my thingies even get to those numbers. No worries. Others, like yourself, should have a number of pieces that fit those numbers.

Edit: I just quickly scrolled through your stories. Unless I’ve missed something, you have one at 3105 views, and a cluster in the 1800 and 1900’s. That doesn’t seem right. This is a tough one. We don’t want the bar set so low, yet we still want the numbers to be attainable.

We may need to tweak the numbers a bit more. Maybe Maggie has more insight on others’ numbers.
hayley
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 8:40:59 PM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:
So, did we ever settle on what to request? I think the consensus is that the numbers need to be a reach (to encourage more participation) yet also be demonstrably achievable so members don't become discouraged and give up because they think there's no hope.

Based on that criteria, this would be my recommendation:

Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views

For those who aren't into badges, we offer the option of hiding badges from your profile page. Go to Settings —> Settings/Privacy and scroll to the Your Profile Page section. About three-quarters of the way down that section, you'll see Hide Badges. Check the box to Hide your badges from your profile page. Be sure to press Update Details at the bottom of the page to save your changes.



I love the 'Prima Donna' categories, so tongue in cheek. Really made me giggle. Naughty you.
magnificent1rascal
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 9:48:00 PM

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Ping wrote:
Survivor wrote:
magnificent1rascal wrote:



Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views


It will be interesting to see if any of us are eligible for any badges with these changes. flower


The most views I have of anything is 730. It will be a while, if any of my thingies even get to those numbers. No worries. Others, like yourself, should have a number of pieces that fit those numbers.

Edit: I just quickly scrolled through your stories. Unless I’ve missed something, you have one at 3105 views, and a cluster in the 1800 and 1900’s. That doesn’t seem right. This is a tough one. We don’t want the bar set so low, yet we still want the numbers to be attainable.

We may need to tweak the numbers a bit more. Maybe Maggie has more insight on others’ numbers.


If you click on the Viewed tab on the front page and select All Time, you'll see the most viewed submissions in descending order. There are 15 pieces by 10 authors that will qualify as Legendary, and an additional 60 that will be Famous. Granted, those are small numbers, but it can be done. thumbup

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hayley wrote:

I love the 'Prima Donna' categories, so tongue in cheek. Really made me giggle. Naughty you.


Well, I wanted something to convey “bigger than a superstar” and was having trouble coming up with the right term. Diva wasn’t quite right, Principal sounded too stuffy, but Prima Donna struck me as a lighthearted option. Maybe Megastar would be better, though. (I don’t want to offend anyone who earns the badge.) Think

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Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:33:17 AM

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Dreamcatcher wrote:
Every member, from the crotchety old man in the corner to the dude at the head of the parade with pom-poms, is entitled to an opinion. As I've explained to a couple of members, it isn't the opinion expressed so much as the manner in which it is presented. Be respectful. Be flexible. Be open-minded and consider all sides of an issue.

There are many ways on SS that an author is lauded and/or recognized for achievement. Ratings, views, RR's, EC's, front cover listings and badges. All of which are subjective. At this point, it's the best we got and tweaking of the processes are currently being considered.

Larryf's well-intentioned post was spot on. These things we are currently discussing should be elements of SS that makes being a member more relevant. We should be more supportive and trumpet the victories of each other rather than assuming that just because one author got a piece of pie means there is none left for anybody else.

Gypsy and Ping are right. We are a community, generously supported by Nicola. Let's not waste the opportunity being offered here and encourage new members, mentor those who want help, and celebrate the endeavors of our friends.

ps. and I'll try not being the crotchety old man in the corner.



I personally agree with Maggie post on this thread. that said

I would like to "throw" my name in the list for the newest badge ... "crotchety old man in the corner" I believe Larry / Dreamcatcher can't be the only one here in Stories dontknow


Ping
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 7:46:07 AM

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fuzzy1954 wrote:
Dreamcatcher wrote:
Every member, from the crotchety old man in the corner to the dude at the head of the parade with pom-poms, is entitled to an opinion. As I've explained to a couple of members, it isn't the opinion expressed so much as the manner in which it is presented. Be respectful. Be flexible. Be open-minded and consider all sides of an issue.

There are many ways on SS that an author is lauded and/or recognized for achievement. Ratings, views, RR's, EC's, front cover listings and badges. All of which are subjective. At this point, it's the best we got and tweaking of the processes are currently being considered.

Larryf's well-intentioned post was spot on. These things we are currently discussing should be elements of SS that makes being a member more relevant. We should be more supportive and trumpet the victories of each other rather than assuming that just because one author got a piece of pie means there is none left for anybody else.

Gypsy and Ping are right. We are a community, generously supported by Nicola. Let's not waste the opportunity being offered here and encourage new members, mentor those who want help, and celebrate the endeavors of our friends.

ps. and I'll try not being the crotchety old man in the corner.



I personally agree with Maggie post on this thread. that said

I would like to "throw" my name in the list for the newest badge ... "crotchety old man in the corner" I believe Larry / Dreamcatcher can't be the only one here in Stories dontknow


To be fair... and to be accurate... I did not call or refer to Mr. L. Dreamcatcher as the "crotchety old man in the corner." kekekegay

However, it has come to my attention that he refers to himself as that. So be it. Still not him. His thoughts and opinions are valued.

***

Just wondering if we need so many levels? IDK. Some people have been here for six, seven, eight years, and they still don't have the views to meet the new, proposed criteria. Just sayin'. It almost seems like the numbers still need to be re-worked, or the value of some of the badges should be revisited. Are they all necessary? Do 3000 or 2000 or however many views really make that story a 'famous' story? Seems a tad hyperbolic. I think that's the right word. And I'm not trying to be too graphic. isjda


Out of 9808 stories and poems published, as listed on the main page...


10 stories and/or poems have more than 10,000 views, with one anomaly of over 187,000.

18 stories have between 5000 and 10,000 views

33 stories have between 3000 and 4999 views

27 stories have between 2500 and 2999 views

49 stories have between 2000 and 2499 views



My point being, I think, is that we don't really need anything past Famous and Legendary (or use other label names, if so chosen).

2500 views for famous seems reasonable, given the history and current viewing climate

7500 view for legendary seems reasonable as well

Currently, there are 3 stories that meet the current famous status (30,000 views), and one of those meets current legendary status (100,000 views)

Do we really want or need another level or badge beyond that? Just asking. IDK. I don't think so.

We don't need to make things complicated, just attainable for those that want to attain.

Thoughts?
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Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:33:49 AM

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Ping wrote:
Just wondering if we need so many levels? IDK. Some people have been here for six, seven, eight years, and they still don't have the views to meet the new, proposed criteria. Just sayin'. It almost seems like the numbers still need to be re-worked, or the value of some of the badges should be revisited. Are they all necessary? Do 3000 or 2000 or however many views really make that story a 'famous' story? Seems a tad hyperbolic. I think that's the right word. And I'm not trying to be too graphic. isjda


Out of 9808 stories and poems published, as listed on the main page...


10 stories and/or poems have more than 10,000 views, with one anomaly of over 187,000.

18 stories have between 5000 and 10,000 views

33 stories have between 3000 and 4999 views

27 stories have between 2500 and 2999 views

49 stories have between 2000 and 2499 views



My point being, I think, is that we don't really need anything past Famous and Legendary (or use other label names, if so chosen).

2500 views for famous seems reasonable, given the history and current viewing climate

7500 view for legendary seems reasonable as well

Currently, there are 3 stories that meet the current famous status (30,000 views), and one of those meets current legendary status (100,000 views)

Do we really want or need another level or badge beyond that? Just asking. IDK. I don't think so.

We don't need to make things complicated, just attainable for those that want to attain.

Thoughts?


Dude. You're making this way too complicated. I've already posted my thoughts:

Maggie wrote:
Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Megastar: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Megastar: 125,000 total story views


All of the above are based on existing badges, just renamed and the requirements adjusted to be more attainable.

We have Famous and Legendary Story badges — with proposed revision of the criteria down to 2,500 views and 7,500 views respectively — and nothing beyond that for individual story views. But individual story views aren't the only accomplishments worthy of a badge.

What about active members who AREN'T writers? Maybe they prefer to spend their time tinkering with their profile and interacting with friends there. Don't they deserve a badge too?

What about prolific writers who don't necessarily get a lot of views on any one piece, but their body of work as a whole has a lot of views? What's wrong with showing them a little love, badge-wise? The Stories Star, Superstar and Megastar badges are for total views on all stories. They would replace the Millionaires Club, because, let's face it, no one is going to reach a million views here.

It isn't complicated. These badges will be automatically generated by the system once the required threshold is reached.

For profile views and total story views, when the next level is attained, the previous badge will be replaced (not added to). Again this is all done by the system. For example, my profile has 10,850 views, so I'll get a Profile Star badge. Cool! If it were ever to reach 15,000 views, I'd get a Profile Superstar badge — and the Profile Star badge would disappear. Same thing with the total story views badges.

As a reminder...

Ping wrote:
Let's get to work on these badge numbers, so we can get back to reading and writing, and growing our little writing community.

This is what I'm trying to do.

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I think that is fair to all. Well said.
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Too many carrots (badges/awards) spoil the stew. Maggy is absolutely dead on target.
hayley
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:39:11 AM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:
hayley wrote:

I love the 'Prima Donna' categories, so tongue in cheek. Really made me giggle. Naughty you.


Well, I wanted something to convey “bigger than a superstar” and was having trouble coming up with the right term. Diva wasn’t quite right, Principal sounded too stuffy, but Prima Donna struck me as a lighthearted option. Maybe Megastar would be better, though. (I don’t want to offend anyone who earns the badge.) Think



Oh noooooo ... NOT 'Megastar' please! If we have that title available Gav will have to expand the login boxes to cope with the head size of anyone who is awarded one. laughing8

'Prima Donna' is cool and 'tall poppy' enough to remind a Member to be humble, or else!


I think that acknowledging Members' ongoing contributions, by way of a badge based on accumulated reads, is really important. I think it is more important than an actual story badge. Given that a story badge could encourage more 'reads' for an author, both are necessary.


A salient point is that the new badge format fits with the existing programming. Gav is losing his hair quickly enough. laughing8
(He isn't of course.. but let's not tempt fate! He's got one of those blaster thingys that is standrd stormtrooper issue violent3 )

Ping
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:48:07 AM

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Adagio wrote:
Too many carrots (badges/awards) spoil the stew. Maggy is absolutely dead on target.


Are you daft???

Maggie has added 8 badges. You can’t both agree with Maggie AND CONTRADICT her.
Ping
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:50:44 AM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:
Ping wrote:
Just wondering if we need so many levels? IDK. Some people have been here for six, seven, eight years, and they still don't have the views to meet the new, proposed criteria. Just sayin'. It almost seems like the numbers still need to be re-worked, or the value of some of the badges should be revisited. Are they all necessary? Do 3000 or 2000 or however many views really make that story a 'famous' story? Seems a tad hyperbolic. I think that's the right word. And I'm not trying to be too graphic. isjda


Out of 9808 stories and poems published, as listed on the main page...


10 stories and/or poems have more than 10,000 views, with one anomaly of over 187,000.

18 stories have between 5000 and 10,000 views

33 stories have between 3000 and 4999 views

27 stories have between 2500 and 2999 views

49 stories have between 2000 and 2499 views



My point being, I think, is that we don't really need anything past Famous and Legendary (or use other label names, if so chosen).

2500 views for famous seems reasonable, given the history and current viewing climate

7500 view for legendary seems reasonable as well

Currently, there are 3 stories that meet the current famous status (30,000 views), and one of those meets current legendary status (100,000 views)

Do we really want or need another level or badge beyond that? Just asking. IDK. I don't think so.

We don't need to make things complicated, just attainable for those that want to attain.

Thoughts?


Dude. You're making this way too complicated. I've already posted my thoughts:

Maggie wrote:
Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Megastar: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Megastar: 125,000 total story views


All of the above are based on existing badges, just renamed and the requirements adjusted to be more attainable.

We have Famous and Legendary Story badges — with proposed revision of the criteria down to 2,500 views and 7,500 views respectively — and nothing beyond that for individual story views. But individual story views aren't the only accomplishments worthy of a badge.

What about active members who AREN'T writers? Maybe they prefer to spend their time tinkering with their profile and interacting with friends there. Don't they deserve a badge too?

What about prolific writers who don't necessarily get a lot of views on any one piece, but their body of work as a whole has a lot of views? What's wrong with showing them a little love, badge-wise? The Stories Star, Superstar and Megastar badges are for total views on all stories. They would replace the Millionaires Club, because, let's face it, no one is going to reach a million views here.

It isn't complicated. These badges will be automatically generated by the system once the required threshold is reached.

For profile views and total story views, when the next level is attained, the previous badge will be replaced (not added to). Again this is all done by the system. For example, my profile has 10,850 views, so I'll get a Profile Star badge. Cool! If it were ever to reach 15,000 views, I'd get a Profile Superstar badge — and the Profile Star badge would disappear. Same thing with the total story views badges.

As a reminder...

Ping wrote:
Let's get to work on these badge numbers, so we can get back to reading and writing, and growing our little writing community.

This is what I'm trying to do.


I’ve not complimented anything. LOL. I’ve only illustrated something, with numbers, what hasn’t been shown as of yet.

Just asking the question before you press play.
magnificent1rascal
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:25:56 AM

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Ping wrote:
Maggie has added 8 badges.


But others are being deleted at the same time. It’s pretty close to a wash. Lwinking

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Dreamcatcher
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:58:02 AM

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Maggie has been working on resolving this issue for quite a while behind the scenes. I assure everyone that she doesn't work in a vacuum and has it all well in hand.

Famous Story: 2,500 views
Legendary Story: 7,500 views
Famous Audio Story: 300 listens
Legendary Audio Story: 1,000 listens
Profile Star: 7,500 profile views
Profile Superstar: 15,000 profile views
Profile Prima Donna: 30,000 profile views
Stories Star: 35,000 total story views
Stories Superstar: 65,000 total story views
Stories Prima Donna: 125,000 total story views

These numbers are well within reason to an active member. We are trying to encourage more participation and putting badges closer to the merry-go-round makes them easier to grab.

Well done you Magificent rascal...

AnnaMayZing
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 1:21:40 PM

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magnificent1rascal wrote:


Ping wrote:
Let's get to work on these badge numbers, so we can get back to reading and writing, and growing our little writing community.

This is what I'm trying to do.


So was I.

The third part of this epic journey starts here... https://www.storiesspace.com/stories/drama/the-long-road-home-chapter-1.aspx


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana
Wordpusher715
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:20:30 PM

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"There are two things people want more than sex and money: recognition and praise."
--Mary Kay Ash, Founder of Mary Kay Cosmetics

"Recognition is not a scarce resource. You can't use it up or run out of it."
--Susan M. Heathfield, About.com Human Resources Expert

"Don't worry when you are not recognized, but strive to be worthy of recognition." Abraham Lincoln

From the perspective of a newcomer, thank you for the badges that tell me how much I've done. I don't count things very well.

I value the praise of a Recommended Read more than badges because it is recognition from my superpeers of the quality of work. The talent here is awesome! I walk with giants here and not everyone can have that experience in their life. I would like to be a giant...someday.

The lack of scoring on my other work keeps me humble and reminds me to do better. I have plenty of reminders, too!

So all of this is to say Thank You! This site has value to me.




I live, I love, I perform, and I lament.
fuzzy1954
Posted: Friday, November 9, 2018 6:31:22 AM

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Wordpusher715 wrote:
"There are two things people want more than sex and money: recognition and praise."
--Mary Kay Ash, Founder of Mary Kay Cosmetics

"Recognition is not a scarce resource. You can't use it up or run out of it."
--Susan M. Heathfield, About.com Human Resources Expert

"Don't worry when you are not recognized, but strive to be worthy of recognition." Abraham Lincoln

From the perspective of a newcomer, thank you for the badges that tell me how much I've done. I don't count things very well.

I value the praise of a Recommended Read more than badges because it is recognition from my superpeers of the quality of work. The talent here is awesome! I walk with giants here and not everyone can have that experience in their life. I would like to be a giant...someday.

The lack of scoring on my other work keeps me humble and reminds me to do better. I have plenty of reminders, too!

So all of this is to say Thank You! This site has value to me.




well said very well said


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